I am changing my poll since the last poll "What subject would you like to see as a Sungkyunkwan fanfiction" is just killing me. The scores are so even its hilarious!
33% would like to see Gu Yong Ha as a girl and immediate implications - I think this could be interesting but somehow I prefer Yong Ha as a boy, it is more forbidden, more naughty...
16% are interested in the possible implications of Yoon Hee/Shik really being a boy - now that would be a Sun Joon/Yoon Shik fic that could very well be mindblowing, I am putting it in the drawer in my mind for future use.
37% would like to see the Jalgeum quartet playing truth or dare - this is a subject that I sooner or later will write and you have just confirmed that almost everyone wants to see what could happen!
37% would like to know what would happen is Yong Ha would actually be the Red Messenger - this is tickling my writers itch, but I lack a scenario now so I am putting in limbo as a possible fic later on.
and only 4% would like to see Goel Oh get dirty with Yoon Hee - I agree to this one, they just don't have that type of chemistry and Goel Oh is too kind to just take her.
So for my new poll I am going to ask the mind-boggling question of "Is Yeo Un a seme or a uke?" (for those of you who don't read Japanese yaoi, seme means the one on top and uke means the one on bottom, as for the implications of that I leave it to Google or your imagination...)
Belive me, this question is harder than it looks...
You know what I think about Un's position in this pairing... He is so super calm seme :D
ReplyDeleteI just don't understand why everyone's making him an uke...
zima
I personally think he can be both. He has a fragility that makes him a uke but the deadliness of a seme - a very tantalizing combination. In a sense he is also much more shy than Dong Soo and that is absoutely a uke-trait, while the eagle look in his eyes are a hardcore seme-trait.
ReplyDeleteAh...Un-ah, you keep running around in my mind...aren't you tired yet?
I agree with zima~ I always saw YeoWoon as seme... He's this kind of seme that allows his uke to be loud... he pretends to be uke... maybe it turns him on?
ReplyDeleteIiv <3 Do you know how much I love you? xD
ReplyDeleteOh, btw, iiverin is the person, who make me believe, that Woon is the seme and nothing can change it now... I read all ficks I find, but... I always feel something's missing...
Do you remember why and when all our thinking about it started? Probably at the end of episode, when they had to swim across the water... I asked you then "Hey, who do you thing is seme, 'coz I can't decide and it's very important to me, 'coz I don't know, how to imagine heir first time?"
But at the same time I keep an image of Woon desperately wanting to be done by Dong Soo... After that 3 years gap, when they both were training... He just missess him so much he could do everything to feel Dong Soo's warm and love... <3
zima
And I also think like zima & Iiverin, that Un is more seme than uke. Un all the time behaves like a dominating man in this relationship. But Dong Su is like a women which follow Un.
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Yes, I agree with dzosa. Un-ah is the one in control all the time, but don't forget that Dong Soo is the impulsive one - that at least makes him more likely to initiate something while Un-ah is quietly waiting.
ReplyDeleteHowever, just because you are seme doesn't mean you cannot be the bottom, many dominating people prefer to be dominated themselves. I have to say, the idesa of Un-ah loosing control is very tempting.
this pull brought an interesting discussion. Never heard of the term seme or uke, so thanks for explaining. I like to think Un-ah was a seme in the beginning but with time he let Dong Soo take that position. It would feel ooc if Un-ah was the uke in their first time together. I think the same competition they had when they were fighting was also there when they were making love.
ReplyDeleteYes, I had no idea so many people would ahev opinions on this...Fascinating!
ReplyDeleteHmmm, in my mind Un-ah started off as a uke (shy, insecure, folding) and developed quickly into a seme, while Dong Soo started out as a seme(cocky, arrogant, aggressive) and matured into a uke. Thus, if they had their first time when younger, it would be Dong Soo who would have been the top guy and Un-ah the bottom, while later on Un-ah is obviously the top guy.
this is tricky,at first i thinking of him as a uke, but his controlling + calm aura can make him to seme too. so, the conclusion is he can be both. haha,*i know i'm not that helping here.
ReplyDeletewell i always thought yeo un uke and dong soo a seme but personally i think yeo un could be both so tameaut maybe you could do one or two fics of yeo un a uke and seme same for dong soo????? x
ReplyDeletereally looking forward to your next fanfic or 2 of dong soo and yeo un i read your last one of them thought it was amazing but truthfully i wanted more lol more lushness more smut lol
ReplyDeletethat's why i am so psyched and excited for your next and such an interesting question cause i know what yaoi is but never heard of uke and seme hehe but i think yeo un can be both same for dong soo so maybe you can write a fanfic for both yeo un and dong soo in different position,, can't wait hehe
ReplyDeleteoh yh, those anonymous comments are me i didn't realise you could put your name sorry about that but so can't wait for your next dong soo and yeo un fic x
ReplyDelete=)) oh the question of life
ReplyDeleteIt's true Yeo Woon's personality fits with either the conventional types of uke or seme but his physique indicates his position as the bottom. Dong Soo, impulsive or not, just doesn't seem to be the uke type through and through. Furthermore, in my head canon, despite his calmness, Yeo Woon's interior probably is all about self-conflict and self-loathing. Dong Soo, on the other hand, is more comfortable with both his skin and his persona. After 3 years in secluded training with Sword Saint, he did change for the better. I don't think he's the cocky and arrogant type at all, he knows himself and he's humble. Having said so, I realize that has nothing to do with the question (well, maybe it does). My point is that I think Yeo Woon is the uke, not just because of his feminine look, but also because I want someone mature and caring to protect and take care of him in return for what he has done for others. I don't know if that makes any sense.
Otherwise, well, i'd like to think they take turn lol
This is pretty much the same problem with Destiel.
Lol, one of the things I actually hate about anime fandoms is how much they argue over this concept. IMO, I think most pairings are interchangeable.
ReplyDeleteI personally think Woon leans more to the uke side (well, with regards to his dynamics with DongSoo anyway) because to me, impulsive or more outwardly aggressive personalities tend to always be more "seme" than the stoic types. <--completely unpopular opinion here
Not only that, but Woon seems to be much sweeter and submissive to those he's more familiar with, especially Dong Soo and Cho Rip. Maybe it's just me but he seems to go along with most of the things they do without a single complaint. In a relationship with Dong Soo, I think Woon would be the type to just go with the flow while Dong Soo would be really affectionate.
Ta-Meaut, as you said, many dominating people like to be dominated... But isn't it rather Dong Soo dominating over Un? He's personality is more overwhelming, simple and easy to read, when Un is in some kind of shadow, always so calm and composed. Only when they fight, Un is the dominating one , but... I think that Un by nature isn't dominating, his posision as Sky Lord made him so 'self-confident'.
ReplyDeleteHow should I say it... I fully agree with annapenas, 'coz she said something, I was thinking about for a very long time...
Oh, right... Ta-Meaut wrote ff where Un is the bottom, so as you said she should write text, where he is seme, probably now is the best time for it.
Omg, who don't want to read something really thrilling and overwhelming? where they both cross the last line when afterwards they can't go back to their "friend or foe" relationship? I think kissing and touching is pretty good too, but... Something is still missing!
(You know, that I love 'Unusual you',even if there is no hard sex I expect from men with temperament, today I even made some progress with THAT)
fatal-affection, maybe you're right, 'coz Un's life is all a mess and he should have somebody to rely on, and Dong Soo after his special training came back calm, composed and mature. But Un said that that Dong Soo through his all life was his enclave. With Cho Rip of course ;)
Ok, I think I wrote too much in one comment, but I couldn't help it - my irritation came back, when I looked at the chart...
zima
To add to the confusion a typical seme is brooding and a typical uke is impulsive - now this fits for me more with Un-ah(seme) and Dong Soo(uke), however I don't like to lock them down to a specific type - I really like the idea of them being equals and change with the situation - it turns so more smuttier in my mind then.
ReplyDeleteMy greatest problem is that I, without realising it, blend their personalities from other movies or MV into the same character. For example, Ji Chang Wook in T-ara's "Cry, cry" is so seme its spurting out of his pores.
Aish, I think I am getting confused here...
Maybe I should just, as everyone seems to agree on, write a supersmutty seme Un-ah fanfic and see how it goes...(or interchange them halfway through - oooh, I think I just made myself blush...)
by the way, thank you all for reading and appreciating my fanfics!
I would say it changed over time really. At first I saw him a a seme when they were younger and Dong Soo was still childish but then Dong Soo changed and I saw Yeo Un as the uke.
ReplyDeleteIt depends at which time you're asking. Dong Soo's personality makes the biggest difference.
Sorry for spamming, and so soon too, but I was reading the other comments and another thought came to mind: There is such a thing as 'top-bottom' (on top but not controlling) and 'bottom-top' (on bottom but in control).
ReplyDeleteYeo Un's storyline is very complicated for his personality/emotions, especially in the second half, which makes this question rather difficult for a simple answer. Whereas Dong Soo's is more clean cut.
Yes, Yeo Un is controlling of the whole situation but he also breaks down easily. He's strong in every way, he's had to be, but he's also been tortured by it all. So complicated!
I'd honestly think by the time he was actually with someone he'd either just let it all out through desperate control or let them take over as the one time he didn't have to.
Yes, I completely agree! Un-ah is such a mentally complex person that maybe even he doesn't know what he prefers, at least not in the early years but as he matures, I think it is specially obvious in the last episode, he grows into himself and therefore is less insecure!
ReplyDeleteWhen they are walking in the fields in ep. 29 I think it is obvious he is a seme, he is soin control of himself and the environment. (In my smutty mind he should have just thrown Dong Soo in the grass and taken him...but alas...)
Well, as I said before, just because you are the seme doesn't mean you can't enjoy being the one on the "bottom" - I know I do :P
A note for people referring to Yeo Un as "Un-ah." It's a bit odd. Because the "ah" and "yah" added to the end of korean names is an exclamatory particle. something that doesn't exist in the english language. It's not part of the actual name, so unless you're calling the person, or directing your words to that person, the "yah" or "ah" shouldn't be added to the end of the name. Just a heads up.
ReplyDelete^ That's what I noticed too, I guess a lot of people mistook "ah" as an endearing addressing or one of the honorific suffixes, like "kun", "san", "chan" in Japanese.
ReplyDelete@alittlewayfarer: I absolutely agree with your opinions ;)
And I actually don't mind them being interchangeable.
Yes, to reply to Anonymous (who I assume is korean or at least extremely knowledgeable in the the language...) who is pointing out the error in using "Un-ah" - I don't know about the rest of you but I have actually explained in my WBDS fanfic's (which I do not assume everyone has read) why I use this abbreviation for Un's name - to quote myself: "because of the way it comes out of Dong Soo's mouth, like caramel syrup spread on pancakes...". Because of that I write it "Un-ah" and not "Un Ah" like a real name would be written (like Dong Soo...).
ReplyDeleteNow, if we should go into something that I think is much stranger: when Un's name is written as "Woon". In korean it is spelled "Un" and should be pronounced as "oon", so why add a W? Mindboggling...
Now since this has got absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand I suggest we leave it, unless you want me to make a new poll on how to pronounce his name?
Besides, I claim writers prerogative, my stories are all in my mind and my mind is vast and naughty and hates to abide by rules.
Woon is the official romanization of the name. Just because it's not heard, doesn't mean it's not there. It's probably the same case as with names like Seohyun/Minho where the "h" is always silent. But yes, you can definitely hear it pronounced as "Un" so there's no point in arguing that.
ReplyDeleteHi there! Long time reader; first time poster. I also thank you for your wonderful fics (and for anaapenas introducing me to you ::mwah::). Can't wait for your next installment!!
ReplyDeleteI know the terms from my gazillion years of reading manga/manhwa, but would have never thought to apply them to DongWoon at all!! (I'm a bad little fangirl... ::sob::) So that leads me to my opinion -- why can't Un-ah be a little bit of both, ne? In 9-out-of-10 of those "seme v. uke" quizzes out there on the Internets, I've scored as BOTH myself! I see both traits in him big time, sometimes even switching back-and-forth during the same scene! I think that would make for a *really* interesting storyline the next time you put fingers to keyboard. :)
BTW, the same applies to Ji Chang Wook's name as well. The literal translation of the Hangul for him is 지 (j-i) 창 (ch-a-ng) 욱 (u-k). Yeo Woon translates to 여 (yo-h) 운 (u-n). The "w" is added when Romaji takes over and a 'modifier' is thrown in if you hyphenate or break up the syllables (Chang-wook/Chang Wook; Yeo-woon/Yeo Woon).
Anyway, I'm digressing... but I don't see any reason for you to change horses in midstream on a 'technicality.' When I see those two gorgeous boys in my dreams, it's as "Dongsoo-ya" and "Un-ah." So there. :)
Mmmm.... caramel syrup on pancakes... ::drool::
Cherkell! My "Honourable Baek Dong Soo" coming to rescue me.
ReplyDeleteThank you for that illuminating comment on both the uke/seme question (yes...the tests...I usually only score seme on those, every time – even when I try not to :P ) and the way Koreans chooses to wring out names in peculiar ways.
I love your conclusion - who really cares as long as it is hot and sticky and makes your mind reel, and "Un-ah" is undoubtedly much sexier to have Dong Soo moan in ecstasy, than "Un"?
And having Un-ah do both, IN THE SAME SCENE! Oh, my goodness, I bet Dong Soo would like that :D
As a footnote I would like to add that I read somewhere that people whose names end with “-a” have more sex. So there, now its settled! Un-ah is a smut machine!
Yes, thank you also for reading and appreciating my fanfics, its always great when silent readers come out and actually comment and I am honoured that I am your "first" (comment that is...take your mind out of the gutter, girl...).
Hai, cherkell desu! Genkii desu ka? Always a first time for everything, ne? :)
ReplyDeleteDahling, I accidentally left out a line in my tome above -- for the Hangul 욱 (u-k) and 운 (u-n), the top character is written as "woo" but pronounced "oo" or "uu." That's where the Romaji kinda screws up in going all literal on us...
But back to the matter at hand (no pun intended)... while I could possible see Un-ah in seme mode (that boy is all swagger!), I see Dongsoo-ya even more dominant with such pent-up tension, especially after those years up on the mountain. Rewatch the episode where he returns after training to Sa Mo's and runs into Un-ah and his minions holding everyone captive. That's the first time they've seen each other in THREE LONG YEARS. Their eyes lock together for a whole 20 seconds... and damned if I didn't jump out of my seat (mind you, it's 6 AM Cali time when I'm watching it live) and yell, "Take him NOW, dammit!! You know you want to!! Just take him into the barn and don't come out for days!!!"
Sigh. Wish I could put into words the jumble of thoughts in my brain pan, but I have never been able to write as eloquently as you and others with this sort of fic. Sigh again.
Hai, genki desu! Sou desu ne! Wakarismashita...Ninmu kanryo, Cherkel-san!
ReplyDeleteGod, we are so on the same page! That scene made my heart race for the entire 20 seconds - so incredibly hot looks. I was also screaming inside at the electrifying tension between them, and boy don't they both look fine, Dong Soo sporting a new do and Un-ah in wolf-mode (with swag...), ouch.
Man, I wish we could meet and just get drunk and fangirl over all the hotness...
By the way, you are making my writer antennaes go off right now...oooh, I am making myself blush again...
These discussions are great :D I feel all rejuvenated.
and, Cherkell, you are pretty eloquent with words, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could write too :P (we all have different things we are good at, myself I lament the unworthiness of my drawing skills - stick drawings are advanced for me...)
Cheongmal kamsamhamnida, chingo!
Hai, Ta-meaut-san... wakarimasu. Arigatou gozaimasu!! :)
ReplyDeleteI'll throw out one more example, and then go crawl back under my rock. In the beacon lighting scene when Un-ah successfully lit the last beacon (watch that in super-slow-mo, as Dongsoo's fingers ever-so-slightly linger over Un's as he passes on the bow and arrow... ::melts::), they're looking at each other in the falling rain and Dongsoo reaches to hug Un.. and they fumble around a bit trying to figure out who will be on top for that EPIC clinch. They end up 'splitting the difference', but Un-ah does eventually yield to Dongsoo (and that's why I still believe he carries both seme and uke traits). After all, YSH is only 3 cm shorter than JCW, so it would make sense for him to subserve such a yummy hug...
Gomen ne, de chotto kitai for my lack of writing skills. Granted, I have a MASSIVE Changwook-shi AU fic simmering under my skin -- the beginning is there and so is the end... but it's the middle that's extremely fuzzy and giving me a hard time. ARGH. I'm a legal researcher by vocation, so there's a lot of right-brain/left-brain fighting with each other that keeps me stuck in the mud. But if it ever does pop out of my chest (kinda like the Alien), I'll have you and anaapenas have the first crack at it. Okei? :)
Oyasumi nasai -- mata ne!!
haha. Caramel syrup...well put. but one more thing about alittlewayfarer's comments about names like seohyun/minho having the "h" be silent. It's not. It's funny that you bring up "ho" 호 and "hyun" 현 because those two happen to be audible syllables. It's like that cognitive psych thing where past a certain age, some sounds in another language isn't easily audible. But it's definitely there. Sorry to come off grammar crazy, but I think it's good to have as much information out there - (same anonymous as before with the ah/yah)
ReplyDeleteCherkell! I just did the googly-eyes and laughed my head off in recognitive surprise for several things you just said:
ReplyDelete1. Yes, exactly that scene! I replayed it like a thousand times to watch their lingering touch and those looks and I love that hug - it really is so epic to see them arrive at a shared position!
2. I would looooove to read you fanfic once you have it out, such an honour! and I am tingling to know how you can further abuse such a smexy Chang Wook, God knows I am doing it all the time in my mind... He has the most gorgeous smile...
3. You are a researcher! Me too! (albeit another subject :P ) that's an incredible coincidence - its like the first time I went to solanyxe'e youtube channel and saw she had favourited all the same things as me. Another kindred spirit! This is great! and I so know the right/left brain thingie. I get to a point where I cannot do anything until I have gotten my writing out of my head - its like my brain halves lock eachother, like sumo wrestlers, in a struggle for power.
PS Can I nick your idea of Un-ah, Dong Soo and the barn? I have a truckload of smut in my mind right now and this scenario is just making it go pop!
Good luck with you writing!
The resident grammar fairy (anonymous)!
ReplyDeleteIt is really nice to see someone put that much effort into a pretty narrow subject that most people really dont care about. We all stand corrected here and agree that is is indeed nice to know the difference between sounded h or not and why you shouldn't write out the a/ya, however I do have once small question:
What is your opinion on this subject that the rest of us have been discussing?
So far we have understood your dire interest in grammatical corrections but we would all love to know what you think about Un-ah as a top or bottom guy.
Please, don't hesitate to tell us...
Daijoubu -- please take from me whatever you like (tee hee...). If that means we won't have to wait much longer to read more about my smoldering six-pack-sporting Dongsoo-ya and that smut bunny Un-ah, then be my guest! I can only imagine what amazing storyline is formulating in that mind of yours... yum!! CAN'T WAIT!! :)
ReplyDeleteOk, super! Thanks! (sweating under the pressure now..)
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